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| Subject: | Re: MobileLBSList: Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss? |
| Date: |
11/09/2000 03:06:09 AM |
| From: |
Richard Bloor |
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Interesting opinion re EPOC, like most I'm more than happy to leave the
Microsoft debate behind.
I think it is somewhat premature to pronouce EPOC dead. Although Symbian
does not have significant revenue the key issue is future revenue vrs
investment. When you look at the companies lined up behind EPOC (and yes
some of them may not bring products to market) and see the potental for
device shipments it makes the achievements of the likes of Palm look like a
drop in the ocean.
Probably the key issue for Symbian (and several other players) is not
current revenue but how quickly (or indeed whether?) the general public take
to the wireless world and the experience with i-mode suggest they will.
We live in interesting times.
Richard Bloor
----- Original Message -----
From: Hung-Hsien Chang <hubert@cs.nyu.edu>
To: Richard Bloor <sherpa@netlink.co.nz>
Cc: <mobilelbslist@wirelessdevnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2000 04:14
Subject: Re: MobileLBSList: Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss?
>
>
> Hopefully this is the last about Visual C++.
>
> Nothing is VERY WRONG about Visual stduio. But stating it as one of the
> finest software development tool is NOT TRUE. ( to me.)
>
> Aso for EPOC, let me quote what CEO of RIM said, "it's dead. I am sorry.
> But it is going to die. They have no revenue."
>
>
> Give the programming environment you can choose from: J2ME ( which
> I think will be prevailing if they (SUN) do it right this time.)
> Microsoft ( stinger should have some programming IDE coming out,
> I don't know, hopefully it is not the stripped down versino of Window CE.)
> EPOC doesn't seem to stand a chance in the world market.
>
> But it is fun to program. One more language, it's fun.
>
>
> Hubert
>
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Richard Bloor wrote:
>
> > So what's so wrong with Visual Studio, at least with Visual C++ you can
> > right really cool applications for EPOC! Now I'm holding my breath, I
> > wonder how much harder that will get with the next C++ version? However
you
> > have to admire Symbian for using what is effectively the competitions
> > product to build a better platform than theirs.
> >
> > Richard Bloor
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Hung-Hsien Chang <hubert@cs.nyu.edu>
> > To: Dimitri Rotow <dar@manifold.net>
> > Cc: Bryan Morgan <bryan@wirelessdevnet.com>:
> > <mobilelbslist@wirelessdevnet.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2000 15:39
> > Subject: RE: MobileLBSList: Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Dimitri Rotow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dream on. People often buy Microsoft because they get what they
need at
> > > > super value.
> > >
> > > Well, NOT REALLY, they did make progress for the past 10 years.
> > > But in the same time, they have either wiped off the competitors
> > > or bought them. You like office, well, power point is bought,
> > > they didn't really develop it. Front page is bought, they didn't
> > > develope it...etc
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I happen to like Office because I like getting a suite of cool
> > applications
> > > > with zillions of useful features at a ludicrously low price. Visual
> > Studio
> > > > is one of the finest development tools ever created in any
environment,
> > >
> > > HAAA!!!!!!!!!! Visual Studio is one of the finest development tools?!
> > > My goodness, which century you live in?!!! What kind of developer
> > > are you? Gezzzzz. tell me, please do tell me, what application
> > > have you actually written using Visual Studio? ( Wait, you mean
> > > Visual Basic, Not Win32 API right? I mean serious lower level
deveopment
> > > not the MFC stuff.)
> > >
> > > > period. That's why we use it. Microsoft has big time credibility
and a
> > > > history of working very hard to get products right even if they fall
> > short
> > > > in early versions. They have superb ISV programs and make it really
> > easy
> > > > for developers to support their products, so lots of other
applications
> > will
> > > > work with Microsoft products. Even if they didn't own Windows,
these
> > would
> > > > all be great incentives to be interested in their products.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Dimitri
> > >
> > > Tell me the ISV pro |
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